fred4win's Journal, 18 Jun 16

I love how this doctor is so calm and matter-of-fact in his delivery. Sometimes I get a little nervous watching Stephanie Keto Person's videos, but with Dr. Crall, I feel more reassured. I can see how he can get one ready and eager to go into ketosis: thanks for the link!  

Too bad the doctor wasn't a bio chemist - very few of them are. If they were, they would know that dietary protein makes no sense. If they had some greater understanding of biochemistry, they would comprehend decay dynamics and know that protein molecules are gone once the pork dies - Dr Crall would know like some other doctors, Joel Furhman for instance, that cooking destroys proteins (although, again, decaying, biodegrading, decomposing, already takes care of that). When you check out those videos - it is always helpful to read the comments section - in order to get a broader picture of the falsities of Keto. Starting with - there will never be a conversion to using fat for fuel over glucose. Your body will always have glucose as not the primary fuel but the only fuel. You can eat all the fat you want - hopefully raw fat and not fried pork fat and butter - but guess what, guess what the good doctor and many don't know - that fat will simply be converted to glucose and then used for fuel. There will always be glucose coursing through our veins and every tissue and fiber of our bodies. And our blood. They don't call it Fat sugar - no, it's blood sugar that needs to be regulated to be healthy. And when you all think you are in some "state of ketosis", has the sugar gone from your veins? From your Blood? Is the doctor now, checking for levels of Fat Sugar? Fred, we all wish you to be happy and healthy - and to lose all the weight you wish to lose - including the belly, but you need to come to terms with how fat molecules work in the body - and how cooked fat is not what any origins of ketogenisis (play on words there) is all about. It was raw unadulterated fats - avocado, nuts,olives, coconuts etc. Not bacon, fried pork, or butter - leave that stuff alone if you want to lose that belly and keep it off. Don't confuse, eating high fat fried and cooked foods with having anything to do with helping your diabetes situation - as opposed to the reality of cutting back dramatically on carbs. It was the carbs that brought about pre diabetic conditions, and it was losing the carbs that put that diabetes car in reverse. 

Sorry oliver but it works for me....tell me about scurvy...can't produce vitamin C in our body like you claim...come on now level with me. Scurvy is a disease resulting from a deficiency of vitamin C. Humans and certain other animal species require vitamin C in their diets. period. 

SCURVY As with the pirates of old and today's people with similar or same characteristics (symptoms), we are misled in thinking vitamin C is the cure - or the preventive measure - or has anything to do with scurvy. The pirates had all manner of vitamin C on board those ships. We immediately go to fruits and vegetables as the source for C - the only source for ascorbic acid. That’s misleading - all foods have this - all animals, plants, pretty much all living organisms have vitamin C. We say someone is low in C - but are they really? The role of vitamin C in humans is vast and hyper critical, essential, to so much of body processes, one being the making of collagen. And collagen is just one more obvious connection, but the list is long as to C's involvement in much of how the body operates - on a cellular and sub cellular level. We are quick to look at our list of symptoms when diagnosing for scurvy (which is similar to many other maladies), or C deficiency - but do we look at the role of C in the body and see if those dynamics, those functions, are not functioning - say? Are we still synthesizing collagen for instance, hair and teeth, recuperative dynamics? That to me would be the true gauge as to whether or not the patient is "out of C" or extremely low.  

But back to pirates - most foods that have C in it usually have other common nutrients - and the lack of those nutrients never seem to cause a disease on board. Beri Beri, or Kwahsiorkors to name a few. But again, Fish has C in it, seafood in general (clams, fish, muscles, scallops, shrimp etc.), as well as potatoes, and beef, liver, and so many things that the British and other sailors had on board including grains and nuts. But as sailing goes 2 hundred years ago all the fruits and veggies they packed could not fight against conditions on board those vessels. Sailors a hundred years ago, living in cramped, cold and damp, dirty conditions, with no hot water to clean with and many times foul water for drinking and cleaning, brushing teeth wasn't all the rage (especially in England - no offense brits - just sayin), with mice and rats aboard along with bugs and maggots, rotting food (poorly stored), on little sleep (3 to 4 hour rotations - in tiny bunk beds)... These things will lead to a host of sailor maladies including the whores at the various ports of call - syphilis was rampant back then. All things combined they came down with something. Makes sense. What might those things they came down with be? Appetite loss, poor weight gain, diarrhea, rapid breathing, fever, irritability, tenderness and discomfort in legs, swelling over long bones, bleeding (hemorrhaging), and feelings of paralysis - All scurvy symptoms. And then when they landed in the sunny tropics, had some fresh food, got some some sunny D, better rest without motion issues,.....they got better - if it wasn't too late.  

I once went on a day trip fishing - I got sick. Cruise ships regularly have some outbreak - due to close quarters and other factors that don't manifest on land. We travel to another land, as sailors did along the way to their final destination, eat foreign foods, we get sick many times. Eskimos don't have an abundance of fruits and veggies - but they had what many cold weather pirates had - hardy meats and other items. If I didn't eat a fruit or vegetable for years my body would still function, and the ubiquitous role that C plays in my body would continue on. Another day I will venture to tell you that a lab could remove all C from my diet (including removing it from my meats) and I would be fine. Unless, I am doing something, digesting something, allowing for some alien factor to set in - exhaust fumes, booze, cigarettes, and about 3,000 other chemical factors we come in contact with weekly that can and will affect the way our body creates and uses nutrients. Our collective understanding of C is incorrect. The idea of scurvy as being related to a diet short of vitamin C is poor study - for lack of a better way of putting it. The way we look at all deficiencies is to me somewhat backwards. We need to look inward and outward as to what is affecting our bodies' natural ability to synthesize and work with many nutrients, proteins and minerals etc. As opposed to quickly surmising this person is protein deficient because they didn't have a steak - and a steak will solve the problem.  

Yes - "it works for me" can be and is said by everyone on every diet. The the outsider looking in becomes confused when all proponents of their respective diets say 'it works for me...'. So the smart outsider, has to sift through and find the common denominator that has all diet types losing weight - and that would be - a dramatic cutting down on carb intake. That right there is what is consistent in most diets and with most people who lose weight. That and exercising. 

Well oliver i will give you credit for claiming that if one lowers carbs it is benafical to lower blood sugar and reversing diabetes...thanks for that much. Seems you've been behaving yourself lately. glad about not out-lawing keto diets any longer. But for me and my condition there can be no other way of living and eating....first time my blood sugar is stable plus the reversal of my dibetics....The bonus is also the weight loss. yes we always have a certain amout of insuln in our blood....it is called fasting sugar. am i rite?  

Never heard the term fasting sugar. ?? I will never behave. I never behaved in school, right from kindergarten where me and my twin used to splash a bucket of pooh around the playground... on through grade school, jr and high schools and college and beyond. I don't behave myself - I do what I do and suffer or benefit from the consequences. I never wished to outlaw any diet - but rather have it defined better for newbies and those not sure about things - cico, atkins, keto whatever. With Keto - it was a matter of clarifying "fats". bacon was not the intended fat nor butter from the origins of ketogenics - that would be natural raw fats;olives, nuts, avocados etc. And with CICO, claiming all calories were created equal is lazy food science and derelict and irresponsible to double down on that platform in that manner. 

Got to go now nice chatting with you....yes you seem to be a much better person after being bar from here a few times. you have more staying power than we do....just like a bad penny you just keep showing up. an old cliché is :a rose by any other name is still oliver. I B bk 2morow 

I have been the exact same person, just a different name - and I keep getting banned for being that same person. I am on my 23rd new name and looking forward to Monday's new name. Have a nice night. 

I commend you for keeping count, Nunya. lol  

Yeah, it helps pass the time...:). I wish I could have one name that was all the names i had but FS can only allow about 30 letters per name - let alone 30 names.